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	<title>Comments on: Region II Regionals</title>
	<link>http://www.columbussoccerref.com/region-ii-regionals/2008/06/24/</link>
	<description>Observations, opinions &#38; other ramblings of a soccer referee</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CSR</title>
		<link>http://www.columbussoccerref.com/region-ii-regionals/2008/06/24/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>CSR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex&gt;  The pregame is important here.  As is trusting your 4th.  The general guidance we've been getting is to let the coaches vent within reason.  So long as they say their piece and in a short time move back to coaching their team, all is fine and no worries.  If they go beyond that, they are asked to please mellow out and reminded that their team needs them to remain focused on helping them.  After that, the coach is told that he must stop his irresponsible behavior and to get back to coaching his team.  The 4th has to use personality and persuasion to get the coach back in line.  And if after telling the coach, he persists on attacking the game then he has to be dismissed.  

As I mentioned, in my pregame for the match I instructed my 4th to use an "Ask, Tell, Gone" escalation.  I also instructed her that if I needed to be called over, it wasn't to discuss or debate anything - it was to remove the problem.  Because if the problem had become too great for the 4th to handle, then the problem had to be removed.  So in my case, I didn't need the details and that it required my involvement told me whether the coach should be gone.  I delegated and entrusted the bench areas to my 4th and so the details would take care of themselves without my wasting time on them.  And I didn't need to ask if the coach needed to be gone because we covered in my pregame what would happen if I needed to get involved in bench control.

In my case, I knew at halftime that both coaches had gotten their first "strike" by reaching the "ask" stage.  So it wasn't a total surprise to me that it had gone further.  As soon as the coach had made his comments to the 4th personal in nature and made personal space an issue, it was clear that he had to go.  But. . .I trusted my 4th to make sure it got serious enough before my involvement was required.  And the pregame covered it from there.

Otherwise, no extra paperwork above a normal send-off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex>  The pregame is important here.  As is trusting your 4th.  The general guidance we&#8217;ve been getting is to let the coaches vent within reason.  So long as they say their piece and in a short time move back to coaching their team, all is fine and no worries.  If they go beyond that, they are asked to please mellow out and reminded that their team needs them to remain focused on helping them.  After that, the coach is told that he must stop his irresponsible behavior and to get back to coaching his team.  The 4th has to use personality and persuasion to get the coach back in line.  And if after telling the coach, he persists on attacking the game then he has to be dismissed.  </p>
<p>As I mentioned, in my pregame for the match I instructed my 4th to use an &#8220;Ask, Tell, Gone&#8221; escalation.  I also instructed her that if I needed to be called over, it wasn&#8217;t to discuss or debate anything - it was to remove the problem.  Because if the problem had become too great for the 4th to handle, then the problem had to be removed.  So in my case, I didn&#8217;t need the details and that it required my involvement told me whether the coach should be gone.  I delegated and entrusted the bench areas to my 4th and so the details would take care of themselves without my wasting time on them.  And I didn&#8217;t need to ask if the coach needed to be gone because we covered in my pregame what would happen if I needed to get involved in bench control.</p>
<p>In my case, I knew at halftime that both coaches had gotten their first &#8220;strike&#8221; by reaching the &#8220;ask&#8221; stage.  So it wasn&#8217;t a total surprise to me that it had gone further.  As soon as the coach had made his comments to the 4th personal in nature and made personal space an issue, it was clear that he had to go.  But. . .I trusted my 4th to make sure it got serious enough before my involvement was required.  And the pregame covered it from there.</p>
<p>Otherwise, no extra paperwork above a normal send-off.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.columbussoccerref.com/region-ii-regionals/2008/06/24/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I would say that one game made your tournament interesting.....I look forward to hearing the rest. 

I am curious how that conversation goes with your 4th and coach on the send off.  I work with a few guys that want every detail right then while others simply want to know if the coach should be gone or not, if I answer yes to that they step in and the coach is gone....

Was there extra paperwork for the send off above the normal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I would say that one game made your tournament interesting&#8230;..I look forward to hearing the rest. </p>
<p>I am curious how that conversation goes with your 4th and coach on the send off.  I work with a few guys that want every detail right then while others simply want to know if the coach should be gone or not, if I answer yes to that they step in and the coach is gone&#8230;.</p>
<p>Was there extra paperwork for the send off above the normal?</p>
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